March 7, 2010

What Happened to Built-in Crowds?

When you approach a venue for a gig, they ask, "how many people can you bring?" Some follow that up with, "we don't have a built-in crowd here". Usually even a small venue wants you to bring 20 people, which is dang near impossible for someone just starting out, and just beginning to build a fan base. But how can you get fans if you can't get gigs? It's a chicken and egg dilemna.

I was talking to Dan, my drummer, about this recently. He reminded me that, in the past, clubs had a built-in crowd, and people went to the same one or two clubs/bars all the time, regardless of who was playing. I remember that era. I remember I had a few places I liked to go, where bands played original music, and always enjoyed the thrill of hearing a good band (or singer-songwriter) who I had never heard of before. I still do this.

So what happened? How did we get from the venues with built-in crowds to venues where you have to bring your own crowd? Another negative with this is that, how can you reach new people if you always play for the same people you bring? I guess you can reach the fans of the other band playing, but that's it.

Of course, the other side of this is, with a built-in crowd, the band (or singer-songwriter) has to get a reaction. As Dan said, you had to be *good* to be invited back. Without a built-in crowd, whether or not you're invited back has nothing to do with how good you are, it's how many people you bring.

Rob

2 comments:

Anonymous said...

I'm old so what I'm about to write might make the youngsters laugh...but here in Minneapolis musicians usually don't start taking the stage until around 10pm even on weekdays at a lot of live music joints. I know I would go see more live music if they took the stage at 7 or 8. It's tough to get old. Again, probably a funny comment, but in my case the venues aren't doing the musicians any favors not getting things going earlier.

Kurt

Charlie Phillips said...

It is terrible isn't it? I can't say I was around to see it the other side of it, but when I play in NYC there are NO built in crowds. It's all about how much cash you can bring in to the bar. It's a damn shame.

Enjoy your blog by the way!

CP